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RE: SOUTHAMPTON
Potato > 25/10/2014, 15:58
(25/10/2014, 14:15)mr.charlie.p Wrote: I love the fact that Southampton have started so well. The number of changes and the new manager could have gone the way of Sunderland, but they seem to be going in exactly the opposite position. I think you can tell that Koeman signed players that he knew and had previous experience of. They have integrated so well so quickly it is pretty amazing. I think that Liverpool and Man U could have a look at the transfer policy of Southampton and learn some lessons.
Learn what lessons exactly? -
RE: SOUTHAMPTON
StrumSolo > 25/10/2014, 17:16
(25/10/2014, 15:58)Potato Wrote: Learn what lessons exactly?
First off massive credit has to go to Koeman for the players he's signed and how quickly he's integrated them.
Hindsight's a wonderful thing though, and while the players we sold haven't exactly set the world on fire yet, they were still some of our top performers last year and we were all rightly concerned when they left. We did well to get such high fees, but supply and demand innit.
Another good win today, and up to 2nd in the table. Can't imagine we'll finish the season anywhere near there but I'm definitely enjoying it while it lasts. -
RE: SOUTHAMPTON
Potato > 25/10/2014, 17:45
(25/10/2014, 17:16)ScottyRampant Wrote:
(25/10/2014, 15:58)Potato Wrote: Learn what lessons exactly?
First off massive credit has to go to Koeman for the players he's signed and how quickly he's integrated them.
Hindsight's a wonderful thing though, and while the players we sold haven't exactly set the world on fire yet, they were still some of our top performers last year and we were all rightly concerned when they left. We did well to get such high fees, but supply and demand innit.
Another good win today, and up to 2nd in the table. Can't imagine we'll finish the season anywhere near there but I'm definitely enjoying it while it lasts.
Yes that's not in question. What i'm questioning is what lessons United and Liverpool have to learn from Southampton regarding transfers as Charlie claims. Southampton sold pretty much all their stars of the previous season and their best youth products for big money. United and Liverpool (well, the Liverpool pre 2009) don't do that. Mainly because the stature of the clubs in question are very different which does make it easier to keep their best players and young talent but the point still stands. United for example only ever really sell players when they are past their previous best and don't really have much more use for them (Ronaldo aside).
If the lessons are in regard to buying players for small money and turning them into stars well, United do that aswell. See the likes of Solskjær, Park, Hernandez, van der Saar, Evra, Vidic etc etc and even this season I would argue Blind has the potential to be spoken of in the same light as those previously mentioned.
Liverpool sure, they've had a pretty odd transfer record since 09. They tend to buy average players for a shit tonne of money nowadays hoping they'll turn into "gems" (despite forking out more than they should on them) and more often than not they flop. But United? I think our transfer policy/record is pretty good. -
RE: SOUTHAMPTON
StrumSolo > 25/10/2014, 18:14
Haha, I was actually agreeing with you...
I see no lessons, just decent players sold for decent money that'll more than likely come good.
Like you say, it's the hierarchy. -
RE: SOUTHAMPTON
StrumSolo > 25/10/2014, 18:34
And another thing! If you're Liverpool, as an example, coming off the back of a 2nd place finish with a few quid to spend, it's all about minimising risk.
Tadic was hardly an unknown before joining us, and you can bet that all the top clubs would have had him looked at.
But when you need instant success, it's understandable that you'd go for someone like Lallana instead. He might be £15m more expensive, but he's proven at the top level and got a better chance of succeeding than someone from the Dutch league. In theory.
Obviously it hasn't panned out that way (so far), but what's happening at Southampton right now is the exception rather than the rule.
And if he does end up having as good a season as he's threatening to, one of the big boys will more than likely pick him up next summer. -
RE: SOUTHAMPTON
Potato > 25/10/2014, 18:38
Ah yes now that i've re-read your post I see what you meant! I thought you were going off on a tangent without understanding what I was questioning :P
I think Liverpool over-estimated the appeal of Champions League football to players. It's one thing to offer CL football for one season but players need guarantees that you won't just fall back out of it next year and judging by their recent seasons there was no guarantee. I mean, I was hearing loads of stories last season about how United would struggle to attract the big names without CL football and how Liverpool were now more attractive etc etc.
Fast forward to September 1st 2014 and United signed Shaw, Rojo, Blind, Herrera, di Maria & Falcao whilst Liverpool signed Moreno, Manquillo, Lovren, Markovic, Lallana, Can, Balotelli & Lambert. -
RE: SOUTHAMPTON
StrumSolo > 27/10/2014, 17:44
Five years ago today. 22nd in League One with a ten point deduction after administration.
Hasn't gone too badly since. -
RE: SOUTHAMPTON
StrumSolo > 30/10/2014, 12:40
Milk/Rumbelows/Littlewoods Cup draw:
Derby v Chelsea
Tottenham v Newcastle
Bournemouth v Liverpool
Sheffield United v Southampton
Avoid Chelsea as best we can and it could well be on! -
RE: SOUTHAMPTON
gooner666 > 30/10/2014, 14:17
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RE: SOUTHAMPTON
nav85uk1 > 02/11/2014, 00:59
(27/10/2014, 17:44)ScottyRampant Wrote: Five years ago today. 22nd in League One with a ten point deduction after administration.
Hasn't gone too badly since.
That's madness. to think 5 years ago Southampton were in the relegation zone of League one, looking like becoming another Bradford City who slipped into League Two. They've come along way since then. Gives all those other teams a ray of hope that they may just do the same one day!!