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  StrumSolo > 12/06/2013, 12:14

  So that’s 3 defeats out of 3 and an early exit.
  
  There seems to be a lot of talk about where the problems lie. That we have the lowest number of homegrown under-21 players out of all the major European leagues is undoubtedly a factor. But for me, that doesn’t really sit well with the ‘all our best youngsters are with the senior team’ excuse. Surely the fact the likes of Alex Oxlade Chamberlain, Phil Jones and Jack Rodwell have made the step up so early shows that if you’re good enough, you’re old enough, and you’ll get to the level you deserve.
  
  I think it’s more likely an issue of youth coaching and that in general, our young players aren’t up to scratch. It might seem like it sometimes but the big clubs aren’t shelling out £20-30m on overseas players for the fun of it. If someone of an equal standard was coming through their youth team, they’d be using them instead. It's happening now, Luke Shaw at Southampton being a prime example, just not often enough. Maybe with the new academy systems in place we’ll see a better quality of homegrown player coming through in the next 5-10 years.
  
  Or maybe the players just couldn’t be arsed and the manager is useless. That’s a possibility too.

• RE: England u21s

  Bickers32 > 12/06/2013, 12:53

  for me the blame has to lie with mostly the players and the boss well what has he done really in football as a manager not a lot is the anwser he needs to go back to club football and learn how to manage but the players whom went to the championship need to have a look at them sevles from where i was watching only 2 players looked interested in being their tom ince and zaha the others didnt look that bothered plus i think the fa need to let the young guns who play for the seinor team play for the under 21
  on closing i feel thier needs tobe a mid winter break they have to be burnt out at the end of the season esp the guys playing fa cup carling cup prem eruopean footy plus stupid internationals like the one just before the season kicks off

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  StrumSolo > 12/06/2013, 13:13

  Hey Bickers. You could argue that the youngsters who went to Brazil gained more from that than they would have done with the u21s in Israel, particularly if Hodgson is planning on taking them back there next year for the World Cup (if we qualify). I think the senior side has to be the priority, can't see much benefit in having these players drop down a level unnecessarily, especially when time available for international meet-ups is so limited. Who would you rather be playing against? Brazil at the Maracana or Norway U21?
  
  A winter break would be good but you'd probably have to drop the number of teams in the Prem down to 16 or 18 (can't see that one being voted for) and lose a cup comptition as well.

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  chub > 12/06/2013, 17:34

  I blame the coaches in charge of that tourney. Pierce blamed the players, teams, everyone but refused to take responsibility for the fact he failed to motivate the group sufficiently enough. The players there tried, but lack the passion and that lies with the coaching staff
  
  people need to stop making excuse about who wasnt there, because the players there were more than good enough on paper to qualify from that group but failed to score goals. you dont score goals you dont win matches. some of the goals they conceded werent great, but thats football. if they had a goal scorer they may have won all 3 matches considering the number of chances they created
  
  as for the likes of Oxlade-Chamberlin choosing the National team over the U21, what was he supposed to do? A chance to be a star at the world famous Macarana against Brazil and you would turn that down? dont think so some how and fair play to him, because he was the star and has put himself firmly in the mix for the next England game and proved to everyone that he can mix it with the big noys.
  
  Pierce needs to go at the end of the day, he and his coaches failed dramatically and he blame everyone else for his failings

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  StrumSolo > 13/06/2013, 11:05

  Yeah there's no way Pearce can stay after that. Harry Redknapp's saying Glenn Hoddle should get the job, you reckon that'd be a good move?
  
  We played some nice stuff when he was England manager, and it was only the reincarnation business that did for him, not results.

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  chub > 13/06/2013, 20:53

  We need someone that can inspire the younger players as well as good coaches, can Hoddle do that? I quite like the guy and he did a great job with that academy he set up in Spain so why not.
  
  agreed that he did a good job with the national team and it was his opinions that got him sacked which was fucking stupid if you ask me
  
  I would like Venables involved somehow

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  StrumSolo > 18/06/2013, 19:23

  So Stuart Pearce won't be getting a new contract to continue as England u21 boss. Hardly surprising.
  
  Gareth Southgate is the favourite to take over and Michael Appleton and Phil Neville have also been mentioned.
  
  Who would you go for?

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  chub > 18/06/2013, 19:40

  If you want someone that can inspire and has a track record, they are 3 names that DONT come to mind lol
  
  Hoddle is a better bet and getting someone like Terry Venables involoved would be smart

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  uknighthawk91 > 18/06/2013, 22:31

  I don't agree with these older ex-England managers being mentioned for the position. In my opinion the U21s should be a young potential First Team manager or coach, not a passed manager with no incentives other than a solid salary. Michael Appleton would be a great shout kind of perfect for it.

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  StrumSolo > 19/06/2013, 08:47

  He worked with Hodgson at West Brom as well, which might count for something.
  
  Using that logic, Phil Neville would be a good shout as well. Super unproven obviously, but he seems to know his stuff.
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