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RE: ARSENAL
Jose Mourinho > 25/01/2016, 12:44
The Paul Merson of Rampant says... 'Arsenal can go on and win them next 3 games ;)' -
RE: ARSENAL
gooner666 > 25/01/2016, 13:58
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RE: ARSENAL
Ju1ce > 25/01/2016, 15:57
Arsenal 0-1 Chelsea! Dear old dear! It had to be Chelsea that ruined my Sunday afternoon! I can't stand that team! I thought the red card was debatable when one considers Diego Costa was offside and overacted. That said, I thought Chelsea seemed the better team even before the red card. All in all how typical, Arsenal blew another great opportunity. Still all to play for, but I think that was a game we really should have won. Spurs are now only two points behind us. What a kick in the nuts that would be if they finished ahead of us this season! They look more consistent that's for sure!
I need a comfort wank after such a traumatizing weekend :) -
RE: ARSENAL
Rambo123 > 25/01/2016, 23:04
(23/01/2016, 15:17)gooner666 Wrote:
(22/01/2016, 22:36)Rambo123 Wrote: As a non-Arsenal fan I would have thought Guardiola would be a better choice.
ok i get you but totally Disagree with you,, why do people keep picking holes in us about not winning the title,fuck nor have a lot of teams,Spurs,Liverpool,Everton fuck Man city only won it cos they bought and bought and bought,they are all big teams they are NOT under the microscope like us,,just goes to show how they are all in awe of us,,how can you actually say he (Pep) would come in and succeed,damn, he has managed in shit leagues so he,s got a reputation but bring him here he,ll just be like Van Gaal and Kloop an average manager out of his depth,,its not loyalty its just Arsene has kept the sun shining over north london for decades now not like other teams,getting new tiles if there is the slightest drip ;)
Like it or not, one day Arsene will be gone and you will be facing the same situation we (united) have gone/are going through. I feel one of the only people who could come straight in and succeed would be Pep. Under the scenario I gave above, for me it would be a no-brainer.
Also, while I like Arsene a lot, its difficult to argue against the fact that he has under-achieved in the last decade. I know there have been some mitigating factors, but to not win the league once in that time is pretty shocking. A couple of FA Cups doesn't change that (although back to back is pretty good). They have a great chance this year but that is mainly down to the relative weakness at the top of the table, and even then its not a given. If United can't get back in the mix then I really hope Arsenal can do it (unless of course Leicester can pull off the fairy tale - as that would be pure magic).
To go back to your analogy - the roof might not be leaking but that's because the sun is shining - doesn't mean the holes aren't there!
But I admire the loyalty! I'll be honest, if Fergie was still in and the same question was asked of me....I think my heart would rule my head also.
weakness at the top,i dont think so,,its a lovely bit of fresh air to not see all the big heads at the top,my head is perfectly saying the truth and if you think not so be it :)
It's a compliment really. In the premier league era Spurs/Liverpool/Everton have never really been in the mix (for a season or two arguable liverpool but.......) - but Arsenal were one of the dominant players, premier league winners, Double winners, Invincibles! And since then......nothing. They have the fan base, they have the manager, they have the income - they have underachieved.
Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying they have been shit at any point - just that they could and should have done better with the resources, quality and spirit that they have. And atleast some of that has to come down to Arsene.
And as you say, its a matter of opinion - but its a pretty widespread opinion that the top of the premier league has been weak this year. Absolutely a breath of fresh air, I am actually quite enjoying it - but its pretty obvious that to win this year would not be as big an achievement as if Chelsea/United/City had been at their game as well. (Similar to our win in 2012/13 - we played well but we were so far ahead because no other teams seemed to want to come close)
But back to the present - and I was gutted to see Chelsea win - was really willing you to get an equalizer at the end there. :( -
RE: ARSENAL
StrumSolo > 26/01/2016, 10:43
(25/01/2016, 23:04)Rambo123 Wrote:
(23/01/2016, 15:17)gooner666 Wrote:
(22/01/2016, 22:36)Rambo123 Wrote: As a non-Arsenal fan I would have thought Guardiola would be a better choice.
ok i get you but totally Disagree with you,, why do people keep picking holes in us about not winning the title,fuck nor have a lot of teams,Spurs,Liverpool,Everton fuck Man city only won it cos they bought and bought and bought,they are all big teams they are NOT under the microscope like us,,just goes to show how they are all in awe of us,,how can you actually say he (Pep) would come in and succeed,damn, he has managed in shit leagues so he,s got a reputation but bring him here he,ll just be like Van Gaal and Kloop an average manager out of his depth,,its not loyalty its just Arsene has kept the sun shining over north london for decades now not like other teams,getting new tiles if there is the slightest drip ;)
Like it or not, one day Arsene will be gone and you will be facing the same situation we (united) have gone/are going through. I feel one of the only people who could come straight in and succeed would be Pep. Under the scenario I gave above, for me it would be a no-brainer.
Also, while I like Arsene a lot, its difficult to argue against the fact that he has under-achieved in the last decade. I know there have been some mitigating factors, but to not win the league once in that time is pretty shocking. A couple of FA Cups doesn't change that (although back to back is pretty good). They have a great chance this year but that is mainly down to the relative weakness at the top of the table, and even then its not a given. If United can't get back in the mix then I really hope Arsenal can do it (unless of course Leicester can pull off the fairy tale - as that would be pure magic).
To go back to your analogy - the roof might not be leaking but that's because the sun is shining - doesn't mean the holes aren't there!
But I admire the loyalty! I'll be honest, if Fergie was still in and the same question was asked of me....I think my heart would rule my head also.
weakness at the top,i dont think so,,its a lovely bit of fresh air to not see all the big heads at the top,my head is perfectly saying the truth and if you think not so be it :)
It's a compliment really. In the premier league era Spurs/Liverpool/Everton have never really been in the mix (for a season or two arguable liverpool but.......) - but Arsenal were one of the dominant players, premier league winners, Double winners, Invincibles! And since then......nothing. They have the fan base, they have the manager, they have the income - they have underachieved.
Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying they have been shit at any point - just that they could and should have done better with the resources, quality and spirit that they have. And atleast some of that has to come down to Arsene.
And as you say, its a matter of opinion - but its a pretty widespread opinion that the top of the premier league has been weak this year. Absolutely a breath of fresh air, I am actually quite enjoying it - but its pretty obvious that to win this year would not be as big an achievement as if Chelsea/United/City had been at their game as well. (Similar to our win in 2012/13 - we played well but we were so far ahead because no other teams seemed to want to come close)
But back to the present - and I was gutted to see Chelsea win - was really willing you to get an equalizer at the end there. :(
When Wenger came in they had the second biggest budget in the league. Man Utd had the biggest and won most of the titles, Arsenal nicked a couple but mostly finished second.
Then Abramovic bought Chelsea and all of a sudden Arsenal had the third biggest budget. They finished second a couple of times but mostly finished third.
Then City got taken over, leaving Arsenal with the fourth biggest budget in the league. They flirted with the odd title challenge, but mostly finished fourth.
Point being, Wenger's had them exactly where they ought to be the entire time he's been there, over-achieving on occasion but never under. -
RE: ARSENAL
Rambo123 > 26/01/2016, 22:03
I think you have hit on a good point but taken it too far, or not analysed it enough.
True, there is a huge correlation between "budget" and league position (the rise of Chelsea and Man City being the main evidence) but there is a huge amount of discussion into what constitutes "budget". Are we talking revenue? Are we talking gross transfer spend? Net transfer spend? Wage bill? Profit?
Who has the biggest "budget" in the last 10 years has changed, as has the person who has won the league. The point is that the only team amongst the top 4 "budget" teams that has not won the title in that time has been Arsenal. They have a massive revenue, consistently high wage bill, a rich owner and while their transfer spend hasn't been huge the players they have had in the squad have been awesome.
United have a huge revenue, but dont make a profit. Our wage bill is now i think in the top two, but it was 4th or 5th when we last won the title.
Its simple really - looking back over the last 10 seasons, comparing squad and manager to the teams that have won - could Arsenal have won atleast once? I think the answer is absolutely yes. Is there any season where they should have dominated? No. But atleast once would be the minimum.
But anyway - its all besides the point anyway, if you end up looking back too much you wake up one day and you're a liverpool fan :P
Good luck to the gunners - if Arsene leaves without winning the premier league again I think it will be a poor result for one of the greatest managers the premier league has seen. -
RE: ARSENAL
gooner666 > 26/01/2016, 23:01
And that coming from a red manc,,cant argue with any of that,,Thank You and so say all of us :D ;) -
RE: ARSENAL
StrumSolo > 27/01/2016, 10:44
(26/01/2016, 22:03)Rambo123 Wrote: But anyway - its all besides the point anyway, if you end up looking back too much you wake up one day and you're a liverpool fan :P
Enjoyed that! :D
I think with the squad they've got now, then yeah, it's not unrealistic to expect them to win the league.
But looking back over the last 10 years a lot of those have coincided with building and paying off the stadium, which meant they had to sell their best players every summer.
Henry, Adebayor, Toure, Fabregas, Clichy, Nasri, RVP (probably more) were all sold in their prime. Difficult to win titles in that situation, especially when your rivals aren't having to do the same. -
RE: ARSENAL
Jose Mourinho > 27/01/2016, 11:42
I enjoyed that too :P Feel the burn :D
And thats a lovely thought there about paying off the stadium. I guess we know how the next years are gonna go for Spurs.. and we aint even top 4 material just yet! Sting :(
